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Update the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom (both variants)

I think we should get the "both variants" version updated as well. You know, change the St. Edward's Crown to the Tudor Crown on the England side, and to the Crown of Scotland on the Scotland side. I mean, it's been done on the other royal coat of arms versions. So, why not this version? RicLightning (talk) 21:33, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I support your proposal, but can someone help upload an updated version of this file(? 2401:E180:8880:E368:21A9:D330:5E69:2D81 (talk) 01:45, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But the introduction on the page has not been updated. 2401:E180:8880:319D:9379:7C8C:DEB8:1B49 (talk) 10:00, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The picture has been updated by someone. 2401:E180:8880:319D:9379:7C8C:DEB8:1B49 (talk) 09:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if the coat of arms in this article Monarchy of the United Kingdom should be changed back to the version of both variants after the coat of arms has been updated. 2401:E180:8880:319D:9379:7C8C:DEB8:1B49 (talk) 10:16, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest changing the picture back to this one.

File:Coat of arms of the United Kingdom (2022, both variants).svg 2401:E180:8881:F5DF:B05E:3FC9:93D0:F98 (talk) 15:53, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of which a new royal arms for use outside Scotland has been introduced: https://gcs.civilservice.gov.uk/news/new-coat-of-arms/

Said royal arms should be replaced soon Gibranalnn (talk) 07:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this Scottish coat of arms should preferably be updated to be consistent with other Scottish coats of arms, at least he should not be using St. Edward's Crown currently.

File:Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom_in_Scotland_(Variant_1).svg 2401:E180:8892:4A51:7EDD:DEEC:30C0:8105 (talk) 14:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of which a new royal arms for use outside Scotland has been introduced: https://gcs.civilservice.gov.uk/news/new-coat-of-arms/

Said royal arms should be replaced soon Gibranalnn (talk) 07:10, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright

A discussion is going on at the Commons concerning the copyright status of several coats of arms that are in use on this page. Please feel free to share your comments and input at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Coat of arms of Queen Camilla.svg. Thanks. Keivan.f^Talk 18:28, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maintain use of St Edward's Crown version

Hi,

I am proposing that that St Edward's Crown version of the arms be used as the main image on this page. Whilst the Tudor Crown version has been used in some artistic depictions, as of May 2024 the vast majority of the arms currently officially used are the St Edward's Crown version. These include:

the royal family official website
the Lord Chamberlin, who describes the St Edwards version as the standard version on the 2023 official guidance on the use of the arms (page 5)
Official Buckingham palace correspondence, as seen in the 2024 King's cancer announcement
Version used by the UK government

The only places I can find the Tudor Crown version are:

The is also a College of Arms blog post in 2022 stating they envisage the Tudor Crown to be used in arms, but that doesn't prove anything about the current status of the arms (WP:FUTURE)

In the absence of an official announcement that the depiction of the arms is changing, the image should reflect what the majority of reliable, published sources depict, which is the St Edwards version. Personally, I think that a change will happen, but it will likely take some time due to the number of places the arms are currently used. When that announcement is made, then it would be appropriate to make the change. Safes007 (talk) 00:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Tudor crown was used from 1901 to 1952. St Edward's Crown was then phased in over years. I see no particular reason to sweep 50 years of examples under the carpet or to show the Elizabethan version over the traditional one. Celia Homeford (talk) 07:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of Arms of The Prince and Princess of Wales.

I'm beginning to think that we may not receive official confirmation from the College of Arms of what their new coat of arms will look like but I believe it would more than likely be the these two:

and .

Would it not be better to use them in the meantime until we get official versions from the College of arms, instead of two blank spaces. GandalfXLD (talk) 18:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree JAMAMBTGE (talk) 07:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, there are no sources for many, if not most, of the junior royals, especially their wives, so it would be wrong to not put TRH's arms yet keep the arms of those un-sourced royals. JAMAMBTGE (talk) 07:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad someone finally agrees. Sorry I only saw you're response now. GandalfXLD (talk) 07:19, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I myself also fully agree. RicLightning (talk) 18:05, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant. Hopefully more will agree and we can get rid of those blank spaces. GandalfXLD (talk) 08:47, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Coming in late – by "new" do you mean 2022? or has something happened since? —Tamfang (talk) 07:58, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. From The King's accession in 2022 they have new coat of arms, coronets and monograms but we haven't seen anything about them from official sources such as the College of Arms, yet. Until then why not use the two coat of arms above until we get official confirmation instead of just two very annoying blank spaces. GandalfXLD (talk) 10:26, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also support this idea. 2401:E180:8882:61EB:658B:ED22:6381:AEDB (talk) 16:53, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just added some more words to the Prince of Wales' arms Difference(s). RicLightning (talk) 20:38, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Artistic depictions

This article is quite long. I think the history of all the different artistic depictions of the crown makes an interesting story in its own right and could do to be spun off as a separate article. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 08:08, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know that an article could add very much as it's really a visual topic and we've described the artistic changes as best we can, I think. But a gallery might be worthwhile, as at Imperial State Crown#Gallery. Dgp4004 (talk) 08:29, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh apologies, I see what you mean - take out the artistic changes part and move it into a new article. I thought you meant create a new article with lots of new content.

Again though, I'm not convinced it would save very much space myself. We'd have to include a summary of the content here and a link to the main article. But there's not actually a huge amount to take out as it's not a very big section. Dgp4004 (talk) 08:35, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And re-reading the section now, it does seem that the 'main article' links for that section are the Tudor Crown and St Edward's Crown. The only other artistic change given is the Irish harp. So there's an argument that it could be condensed/summarised further if it seems too much. Dgp4004 (talk) 08:42, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Any article would indeed lean heavily towards galleries over text. As well as the changes between Tudor/St Edward's crown and face/no face on the Irish harp, I was mainly interested in how each new monarch apparently has a new official illustration commissioned (e.g. Reynolds Stone for Elizabeth II and recently Timothy Noad for Charles III) and how these differ in art style. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 11:30, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We might struggle with depicting them I fear. Strictly speaking, none of the official versions should be on Wiki Commons ever because the Crown holds copyright in perpetuity for its depictions of the royal arms as a royal prerogative. It never expires like normal Crown Copyright. I'm not totally familiar with all the fair use policies on Wikipedia itself but I understand we might be able to use one authorised version for identification at the top of the page.

Speaking of artistic depictions, I notice the arms at the top of this article have changed. Some fellow on Wiki Commons going about removing all the 2022 versions of the Tudor Crown and changing them to his own tastes, not the King's. I despair. Dgp4004 (talk) 16:38, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]